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Question

I have been singing contemporary with multiple teachers for years. I recently got a classical voice teacher. She's extremely accomplished and professional and I love working with her. However, she is telling me that I am singing in the wrong octave relative to what she plays on piano. She plays a note on the piano - I sing it back, and she says "nope, you're singing the octave up". This is the first time I ever encountered doubt about which octave I'm singing.

Here's an example clip. I play a short melody on piano, then sing it back twice - once in a lower octave (according to her the correct one) and once in a higher octave (what I perceive to be correct).

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Who is correct - me or her? I asked if any of her other students ever had this disagreement and she said no... so evidence is stacked against me, but when I measure my voice with an audio spectrogram it tells me that I am correct (e.g. I am producing the same fundamental frequency as the piano).

Or alternatively, is it possible we're both right, and the classical singer maybe is listening to higher order partials while the contemporary singer is listening to the fundamental frequency, or something to that effect.

Answer 1

You are correct, your first vocal after the piano reference is one octave lower than the piano and the second one is the same pitch as the piano.

I don’t want to second guess an instructor I don’t know personally but it is possible that she wants and is used to her students (or maybe just her male students) singing an octave below the piano reference and in her mind considers that to be the “correct” way to sing what she plays. It is either that or she wants you to sing in the lower register regardless of what octave she plays the reference in.

Answer 2

The human brain is wired in such a way that when someone sings it does not really consider the octave, but if a note is high or low. In unison singing male voices will default to singing the same line an octave lower than female voices, and will repeat in their own octave. This is important when giving notes in choir conducting or vocal coaching, so you don’t give the actual sounding pitch, but (for a female voice conductor or coach) the male voices in the upper octave or (if you are male voice) the female voices in the lower one.¹

It is actually easier for a singer to take the pitch of a singer of opposite sex if the other singer sings up or down an octave (in their own “natural” pitch). Artificially trying to sing the pitches high to female singers or low to male singers is probably going to cause confusion and will have them take the note less safely.

But it is very important that this only applies when giving the pitch to a singer of opposite sex. It does not apply when giving notes on piano or any other instrument. And this is something every trained choir conductor and vocal coach should know. When singing you change the octave to your own natural pitch, but when giving pitches on an instrument you give true pitch.

So what is happening is that your teacher is giving the notes on the piano that would correspond to her natural pitch, and is expecting you to take the pitch as if she had sung it. But truly she should be the one playing the piano in your natural pitch.

If you hadn’t said that she was extremely accomplished and professional I would simply suspect that she was an inexperienced teacher. But that way ... I suppose maybe she in not a trained vocal teacher, but a trained singer who gives lessons to make a living (as many trained musicians do). Then she might also mostly have female students, making her inexperienced with male singers.

Then, once you are more experienced as a singer your brain will have learned to pretty much ignore the octave of an instrument when taking the pitch, as you tend to know the general range of what you are about to sing, and instrument cues can go from very low to very high.

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¹ And by female and male I here mean natural Soprano/Alto and Tenor/Bass voices, I am totally aware that there are things such as perverted mutation² as well as transgender and non-binary people.

² That is a rare occurrence where the voice does not change as typical for the sex, i.e. a girl growing a larger larynx or a boy growing a smaller one.

Answer 3

Your first example is an octave below the piano. The second matches the piano pitch.

The musical example is pitched in the region of Middle C on the piano. As every elementary piano student learns, that's 'the one near the keyhole' (how DO beginners get their bearings on today’s digital keyboards without keyholes? :-)

To a soprano, in one sense that's 'Low C'. To a bass it's 'High C'. (And to a tenor it's 'Middle C', HIS 'High C' is another octave up!) That may be where the confusion lies. She's not thinking analytically and wants YOUR 'Low C' but plays HER 'Low C'. No need to to prove her wrong! Now you know what she means, enjoy the teaching.

Answer 4

Whatever she played, you sang an octave lower than the piano. Your second attempt is actually on pitch, exactly as the piano sounds.

Thus, you are correct with the second one. However, as a female with a voice used to higher pitches, she may just be playing in 'any' octave. I would be questioning her pitching ability, pro or whatever.

EDIT: if you continue with her, it's well worth ironing out the octave problem at the next lesson. It helps if you both sing off the same hymn sheet, so the saying goes!